2 thoughts on “Episode 53 – Combating Sylvan Advocate

  1. Wandering Winder

    So, I’m surprised and glad that you guys took the time to address the comment I posted. I was quite pleased and for the most part in agreement with all the things you were saying in this episode. A couple things to clarify what I was saying in a couple places (which I certainly don’t expect you to address – this is more just for my own personal feel-betters).

    First, I do fully believe that people go into events planning to cheat. My point was more that they don’t think of it as “oh I’m cheating”. So yeah, “I’m going to palm these cards” which IS cheating, obviously, just that people don’t think of themselves as cheaters, even when they know, would you ask them (and were they honest) that they are.

    I also understand that there are lots of ways of cheating that shuffle-consciousness won’t solve. I didn’t intend any of my ideas to be “the solution”, just ways to improve (or potentially improve). I really think that most people don’t shuffle enough and don’t understand shuffling enough, and increasing awareness of that can help a lot.

    Finally, on the formal definition of cheating. The thing is, let’s say, for ease of example, that Fabrizio Anteri claimed that he didn’t know that the mana weave was against the rules. I don’t think that you, or almost anyone else, would believe him. Are you saying that, when anyone gets caught cheating, they can claim “oh, I didn’t know, I thought it was fine”? Or better yet, every single time it comes up “I don’t understand”. I mean, it’s a tough spot, right? Because I totally understand what the point of that rule is, you don’t want the person who makes an innocent error to get a DQ. But at the same time, you don’t want feigning ignorance to be a defense. My point is, drawing the line is hard, and you have to do it somewhere, but you also probably are going to realize it won’t be right 100% of the time (even though, with the great respect I have for the judges, I could easily believe it’s north of 99%).

    Anyway, great podcast this week!


    1. Subie Dog

      Ignorance or lack of understanding is not an excuse. Perhaps a matter of mitigation regarding consequences, but a broken rule remains a broken rule despite the rule breaker’s (or cheater’s) motive or knowledge level. Staunchly enforce the rules with a known set of consequences. What to do about innocent mistakes? Easy enough – a lesson learned (albeit a hard lesson learned) for the unknowing. That is why we have levels of tournaments, no? A local FNM or pre-release is where we forgive, teach, and coach. Re-wind the clock, and replay the turn, if needed. However, at any qualifier, pro play, tier 1 – a rule break is a rule break, with consistent match consequences. The “motive” of the person is irrelevant. We should care a less about the motive, let alone judge the humanity, of an opponent who breaks a rule. We address it, and we move on.



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